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once an insult goes out or people start arguing the key is bricked

blizzard dont care because there is super easy fix to all your problems - its called guilds and they exist for past 20 years. nobody sane pugs the key levels which you are pugging. people do them in guilds so ofc they experience exactly 0 toxicity. its also not blizzard fault 99% of pugs refuse to use the in game voice tool which is in game for years now and should be baseline tool for m+ grouping .

After my experience, I hear the word "Kazzak" and I assume it's gonna be bad. I've had so many experiences like this where other players have just gone at each other, but because it happens so often it has become normal and I think nothing of it (most of the time). I think I should start sending you more footage xD EDIT: I don't mean for this to sound like "OMG Kazzak is the worst, avoid!". But my experience was pretty awful and will stick with me. It won't stop me from inviting players from Kazzak and it shouldn't stop other players too. Toxicity is everywhere sadly, not just one server. I've met some really nice players from Kazzak, not everyone from that server are bad eggs.

Don't think any of this is down to tank. All the deaths on that first pull were just people failing to dodge the jumps.

Play on EU and yeah this level is just horrendous 😂 trying to get alts up is tough. It gets much more chill at around 15s

I mean, the first one ... "TedBandy" ... that name alone shows how mentally ill the warlock is. And for EU ... yes its more toxic, thats because different language barriers and its way more competetive over here. We all have a huge ego over nothing here, and this shit happens almost in every higher key. There are legit servers you wanna dodge, (Tarren Mill, Kazzak-english) and (Blackrock, Aegwynn - German) and a few more. (I speak from personal experiences here) :D

triple caster comp, needed some solid melee to keep people more grounded hehehe (this statement is a joke made by Melee Bias Inc™

People who defend toxicity are often toxic themselves and stupid af.

This is just internet 101. Dont engage the trolls.

When I do pug a key, ill give people 1 warning about toxic chat, if it happens twice I just leave

Fel Domination before key starts so you can summon felguard quick and Fel Domination will be off cooldown again. Its not a huge deal, but its a nice way to summon pet fast without putting it on CD.

Bro has never dealt with US players apparently 💀. Toxic players are the good players cause they’re sick of shitters ruining runs by failing don’t stand in fire mechanics.

In many cases, in my experience, the ones that talk the most shit are usually bad. Good players normally just shut up and do their job.

Literally never invite a kazzak player lmao

Oh man... I miss the old times of season 1, where the most toxic thing on the ladder were the angry disc priests, armed with dots (...)

I think at the beginning he was saying "just run" as in "hurry up and run out and repair"

The lock might have used his quicker pet summon. It carries over into the key start so you can basically insta summon a pet without that button goin on its 3 min CD instead of spending 10 seconds summoning a pet. I wouldnt get heated over it though. Really only a problem if you die the next 3 min lol

17:55 is really insulting to those of us who don't play in keys UNLESS we have at least one other person to run with b/c pugging by ourselves is absolute hell.

calling out toxicity is healthy. ignoring it or pretending it's ok is sick.

This is a similar situation to last time, you have a healer that has no kick & 3 ranged silences (24, 45, 24(?) seconds) & Fairly limited AOE CC beyond Fear(which priests almost never use) and warlock stun. That's a lot of dead people in my eyes, lol. For 4 or so extra mobs, really not worth the risk.

The real crime in this video is grip of the dead being used on sanguine week

He’s calling for Fears from the 3 that can do it.

Worth nothing that the tank is tracking interrupts with details and the mage is ahead of the warlock

Don't waste globals on typing. It's a dps/hps loss. hehehe

Pugging is going to be terrible with this. I thought season 1 of SL and season 4 of DF was bad but I fear this is going to be much worse. Ive just now got into 11s with my main, Brew Monk. Why so far behind? Work/family/life eats into playtime. As a casual, if you will, these aren’t changes that are going to breed success, rather a toxic timer on top of a toxic community will bar my chances of success further. Time will tell. I’m sure I’ll lament in your chat about my difficulties.

My WoW friend group calls those "Tim pulls" bc I would get way too greedy like that even in pugs. I've learned it's better in pugs to stick to simple pulls so theres no fuss and keep the vibes chill.

It's kinda hard to change an entire community of teenage degenerates who are hell bent on being toxic in a game.

only thing i hate about EU m+ is when your the only player in the team that speaks English and the rest don't speak English the entire run lol

At 8:05 how can you be so dry about the cookie comment . I spat my whole water out. Its just so funny

Are you trying to get a bunch of rules and moderation added like League of Legends for example? I think there's an argument that stuff like that just makes the community worse and the overall sentiment very much worse. I pug all the time and hardly EVER run into any rude or toxic people, we're talking like less than 5% of runs. Rude and toxic people are a part of life, and you can mute/ignore them, and if you really don't like them enough, it's your prerogative to not play with them. You can exit the key, and exit the dungeon, unlucky to get such a terrible person in your group. I ENCOURAGE you to take this action because this will put a social pressure on the toxic person overtime to adjust their behavior as they're wasting their own time most of all if people don't want to play with them after beginning the key because of their behavior. Getting administration or government or rules or laws in place for common "toxicity"(non-death threats, severe harassment, or hate speech which already have rules in place) is not a good idea in most any non-professional setting. Nice people exist and so do rude people, deal with them accordingly to what feels right for you. You're acting like somebody ruining your key or being mean is ruining your credit score or something, like just /ignore em and move on, it's so easy, and it's just some person on the internet taking out some insecurity or bad day on you, don't take it so personal or serious. At absolute worse they've wasted about like 30 minutes of your time and you never have to talk or play with them again. Time being wasted happens all the time, it's a part of life.

So tank was stressing out his group with overwhelming pulls. They start taking it out on each other and by the time they get to the first boss they are so tilted they can't even do basic mech on a fort week. Tanks should not be pulling like it's a MDI with a random pug group. Too many things can go wrong and snowball out of control. Just got for the +1 or +2 upgrade and be happy with that.

Hey metro Hem hjälp translates roughly to nursing aid Like a professionel person that comes to elderly peoples homes and help them clean/cook/shower etc.

N1 means nice one, he's being sarcastic to the tank for his pull at start

On my demo lock, I usually pop power siphon just before the key starts, but it only has a 30 second CD, so wasting it isn't really a big deal. Not sure what else he could be referring to, other than maybe an intellect pot.

does it count as toxicity when people leave on middle of instance without any reason, i just paused my sub cause im totally finished for trying to play this game, half my run end in middle of instance, i have limited time to play on day, and not interested to spend hours at first tying to get grp, and when get , then get disbanded in middle of instance. im not the highest score but around 2.2k

exhaust pipe... please

I have had the opportunity to play with Tedbandy the past few days on my alt and he was absolutely a crap player in that 13 we tried. He had literally 0 interrupts till half of the dungeon, was below every dps in dmg, no cc-s obviously and dying from every avoidable dmg (standing and casting in swirly, frontal dmg, not using any defs). In general Kazzak players in EU are a different species, but Ted is one of the prime example of it :D

People rely on VDH now days so much. Im doing the end season keys with my brm monk alt and people always try to force me to pull bigger or even pull for me. And they dont realize that i would pull a whole dungeon if i could, but im not frkn vdh. This is what im seeing in this key, priest has no interrupt , s priest has 45sec cd and we have mage and warlock. So pretty shitty cc/rupt comp without vdh. Changes everything dramatically. I feel like that toxic guys ass has been carried by vdhs and they start to have unrealisticsl expextations. Im so glad that they are nerfing them. Adds some variety to tanks we see. Thats why i choosed alting brm too. To people see the other side of the coin.

Yeah this is a tank issue. Not enough stops with 3 casters. Vengeance yeah but others no way.

ive seen more aggressive pulls on fort so i dont think its the pull i think its the typing cuz they arent playing they are typing

The first pull can be done by pretty much any tank and is quite common. That second big pull with all those casters is just a death sentence unless you play VDH, or with an organized group. Kazzak players are known for their toxicity in Europe.

they use inferno

As soon someone start to be this toxic i leave the key no matter whos key it is if its mine i just wait till 80% of the key done i kick everyone then and stuff otherwise i just leave the key

People actually defending the Priest from the Brakkenhide video with "ohh it's your responsibility to manage how you react" are so fucking stupid! They're literally victim blaming, the shaman did nothing to provoke it but he got unfairly targeted just because the priest in question thought it would be funny. Ok I'm going to do something that goes against my very nature and defend this Kazzak player (the thought makes me nauseous honestly but I don't think he was in the wrong here). As a Demon Hunter player myself I understand the frustration when people don't give pre-timer or don't follow the timer (either start key early or late/not at all) now to my understanding it's more common for Destruction Warlocks to pre-pop Infernal as it grants the shard generation buff and the cd resets (at least if you time it so the infernal is spawning during loading screen cause key starting does unfortunately dismiss all pets last I knew) as we can clearly see though this Warlock is Demonology but I assume the same rule set applies to Tyrant except I know Tyrant grants full shards which will usually reset back to 2 before they reach combat unfortunately. It's not like the Warlock was flaming the group or the tank for this mistake he merely sent two messages asking about this. I can also sympathize with him calling for interrupts as it is very frustrating to know that things must be interrupted but seeing nobody use their kicks, and I assume his "fire" messages are him trying to ask the fire mage to use blast wave to knock the packs out of sanguine as the tank seemed to make no effort to move the packs out or in a way that would minimize sanguine exposure. Unfortunately blast wave is an optional talent and I have no clue if mages play it regularily :P The problem with this group IMO is the tank not properly moving for sanguine, the lack of interrupts available and lack of cc and utility usage which leads to them not being able to do the big pulls the tank tries to make without a bunch of casualties as nobody uses their interrupts and sanguine will just outheal their damage. Plus it doesn't help that this Priest gets very toxic towards the end directed towards the Warlock simply because the Warlock is calling for people to use their kit (granted if people don't listen the first couple of times why bother to keep trying?) I'm not Swedish but I am Icelandic and learnt quite a bit of Danish in school cause the Nordic countries have an agreement where they will each teach one other Nordic language in school and Iceland defaulted with Danish (Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are basically the same language anyway with just different pronounciations O:) (sorry not sorry to my Nordic brethren <3)). The translation was fairly accurate he's essentially saying he assumes this person needs personal home care/maid/assistant as he must be unable to physically or mentally take care of himself.

That't not "toxic" that's day to day. Really. Nothing special. Thanks for sharing for comment on it though <3

The only one who could do the key was the blood DK, everyone else signed up but couldn't do the key. Insane. Go try 6s first? Idk how the mage only presses a 20 second CD 7 or 8 times in the span of 7 minutes, blows my mind. I track CC and ints aswell and always check I really enjoy this DKs UI, really sick to see who gets PI'd I could remove some externals like that from my raid frames and use that instead.

Ah kazzak eu players

My guildy who plays a warlock stack some buffs on a target dummy before activating a key.

Yeah this is just very regular EU behavior LOL. I don't think keys get disbanded over this as you said, playing on EU means you're used to this kind of flame.

Very aggressive pull from the tank, cant recommend for pugs. And the sad truth is, this became the standard way people "talk" with each other in this game as soon as something does not go according to plan. Its either silence and a "gg" at the end, when everything goes well or finding someone to blame as soon as something goes wrong. Welcome to WoW.